Dale Farm, developers and the green belt

By Joe Wade | Don't Panic –  Fri, Sep 23, 2011

the indiginous population of these islands are beeing creamed by the judiciary succesive governments thieving immigrants and greedy rich businessmen.

Here we are again "Those thieving immigrants". Well most of them work and pay taxes for our own british born and breed people who rather live from benefits hand-outs. One of the best line I heard from a women in her mid twentys when I asked her what she was doing for a living "because I am lazy I haven't work since college", wonder how much she did cost the tax payer to do that "something media course" at college, and how much immigrant taxes we will need to feed her partner and their 2 children (who no doubt like their 2 parents will never worked). When you tell those people you are working and paying taxes they think you are morrons for doing so.

Indiginious is a nothing term and was devised so that some people could feel better about themselves.

its just another p##s take that we tax payers will end up paying for again

On my tax return, my council tax, my Vat return, my vehicle tax, insurance and MOT Electorial roll and planning application, I will just put, I am a traveller, so I am exempt !

I wouldn't mind so much if they paid taxes,national insurance, council tax,etc. We all know they claim all benefits while they make big money on shady and shabby deals.

It is my understanding that these people have been offered alternative, permanent housing, which they have refused because it would affect their "way of life". These people rely on a culture of secrecy and intimidation, of both their own members and "outsiders", in order to derive income from dubious sources and avoid payment of income tax. Rehoming them would indeed fragment their way of life and force them to comply with the laws of our country

I dont understand why a couple in Hampshire LEGALLY living in a small shed in their parents garden, with permission of both the parents and the neighbours (while they save up for a house deposit so they can LEGALLY own their own house) have been told by the council that because their shed,which doesn thave running water but allows a newly wed couple a bit of privacy, does have planning permission. Why then is it that a large group ILEGALLY living in an area that not only are they destroying but have no rights nor permisssion to live on are being granted an appeal to stay? Why cant the government see that if they allow these people to stay that they are merely giving rights for people to commit crime and disobey the law. I think it is cases like this that you really see why the london riots have happened, and will keep happening- how can the law demand respect when it is not reasonable to respect.

This case should try our government's commitment to ensure that people who do not pay their way im our society do not get any more freebies. It is now time to show social justice to the hard working British folk. If this outrageous land invasion happens in my Borough I will campaing for ordinary tax payers to stop paying Council Tax until the matter is promptly sorted.

Yes Joe Wade, you should be bloody well ashamed to put your name on this sham of story.I hope it ends your career and the damn scabs come and camp next door to you.

My wife used to work in a garage around the corner from this site and was threatened on a daily basis. The council gave them a site and they took the p**s, as usual. They have broken the law and should be evicted asap. It's fine for everyone to say they should stay but would you really want them on your doorstep? If your answer is yes, they themselves would soon help you to change your mind!

it is all very well painting pretty pictures of an ideal community, but I know of a number of sites complete with toilets and running water that were established to accomodate these people, they were trashed , then the places were abandoned
there is a castle in the area of some historical attraction for tourists, the travellers annually move into and take over the carpark. To further deter visitors, washing is slung over the perimeter railings which makes photography out of the question
when they invade a local river site the whole walkway is shut off as they claim this as their territory and local residents are not allowed their freedom of movement without intimidation, cars , vans and motorcycles are driven without regard for anyone else on footpaths , actions which I and no doubt many other law abiding citizens would never contemplate doing trees are either cut down or mutilated fires are lit on the pavement tarmac to burn off electric insulation subsequently damaging the road surface, in the meantime they are cold calling locals to cut hedges or other repair work , a profitable tax free income, yet when they are compelled to move on we have to clean the mess, burnt out m/cycles, broken furniture, debris from fires, rubble from building projects, human excrement, dog carcase, they have an obvious a lack of respect for people and property
According to the local council there, Dale residents have turned down permanent accomodation
so why are they still on site ? they want to travel then go ! you only have to hear the accent to determine the country of origin, so why are they not still in it ?

if its true they have houses in ireland.go home and do your botched pvc fascia and tarmacing over there.

If you live in a society you should abide by its rules.

they built without planning permission. If they had applied for planning permission and got it then fair enough they should stay but they built illegally therefore they have no right to stay and what you are proposing is lawlessness and allowing people to do what they like and ignore the law. I also find your comments about Israel distasteful and believe this whole article should be removed and replaced with one that gives balanced legal views.

Utter bollocks. So you're saying one law for them, one law for us. Another half-wit taken in by these seasoned and practised liars. The reason they've been there so long is because of the idiots who bleat on about their human rights. They're bloody TRAVELLERS ! Make 'em travel !! Preferably back to Ireland where they came from.

If they are a traveller why do they want to settle there ?

Although these claim to be Gypsies, most are travelling scrap metal merchants.
In Staffordshire they regularly turn beauty spots into tips which then have to be cleaned at the expense of rate payers. 
Much of their trade is cash only which is not traceable by the Inland Revenue and therefore not taxable. Many of their vehicles are not taxed or insured.
However we are required to provide facilities at our expense, 
green belt rules are there for all of us.

The 'travellers' don't travel, brazenly reject the law of the land (but celebrate when it goes their way) that we muppets must abide by, reputedly harbour criminals and don't pay taxes (fair guess there aren't many TV licences in these places), take any and all benefits they don't contribute to, make neighbours feel unsafe, destroy any official sites they are given, and yet they need help?

Any massive housing shortage isn't caused by the people who take responsibility for their lives and who don't game the system. Our wasteful, greedy politicians desperate for votes import shed loads of economic migrants and award them big houses because they heard there's free cash here and you don't have to integrate. Oh yes, and the 'travellers' are supported by the Righteous who live in luxury homes or have property abroad or the means to flee the nasty areas, and are egged on by feckless layabouts who simply like stirring up trouble and make no contribution to society.

Remind me again what the problem is?

ONE BIG QUESTION,IF THEY HAD MADE CAMP IN MAYFAIR LONDON OR GOLDERS GREEN WOULD THE COURTS AND COUNCILS HAVE DRAGGED THEIR HEELS FOR AS LONG AS THIS? OR NO,BECAUSE ITS CENTREL LONDON THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN LONG CHUCKED OFF.

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